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		<title>The Dreaded Evaluation: Helpful or a Waste of Time?</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 15:52:19 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Kim</dc:creator>
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I have some thoughts about performance evaluations. Annual evals should be tools for improvement. Not only should our past performance be measured, our future goals should be laid out as well. Managers and leaders, real ones anyway, know this. To often, in the nursing facility, evals are not important; they are dreaded, thrown out and [...]]]></description>
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<p>I have some thoughts about performance evaluations. Annual evals should be tools for improvement. Not only should our past performance be measured, our future goals should be laid out as well. Managers and leaders, real ones anyway, know this. To often, in the nursing facility, evals are not important; they are dreaded, thrown out and disregarded and by many. We often feel under the gun and undervalued when we read our evals. Its one reason so many of us leave this work.</p>
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<p>Specifically, are they helpful or not? Does your facility use pre made, office-supply store generic forms or their own form? Does the eval relate to the work we do, or can it apply to ANY occupation? Or, is a computer program used?  Do the people who evaluate you KNOW you and know firsthand of your performance? Are your raises tied directly to the evals? </p>
<p>I ask these questions because our evals can make or break us. Raises and promotions are often based upon the scoring system; a weight is applied to each score as well. It&#8217;s all rather complicated for something that should be pretty simple and straightforward.</p>
<p>For the work we do, I think the following should be evaluated:</p>
<p><strong>1) Quality of Care</strong><br />
First and foremost, the quality of the care we give should be the most important factor. How often do our assigned residents develop pressure sores? How do they look? Are they clean, dry and fed? Falls? Are they appropriately dressed? How do we get along with residents? Are we respectful and polite? Do we have empathy and concern for them? Are we attentive to their needs? Do we understand their rights and apply our skills with consideration to these rights?</p>
<p>Do we participate in any care planning? Do we follow through with specific objectives in the care plans? </p>
<p><strong>2) Teamwork</strong><br />
How do we work with others? Are we cooperative? Do we accept assignments without fuss? How do we manage conflict? Do our co workers value our presence? Are there a lot of complaints about our behavior, attitude and ability to help? Do our co workers look forward to working with us?</p>
<p><strong>3) Knowledge of Policy and Procedures</strong><br />
Do we know WHERE to find these documents? Do we apply them to the job? Do we follow guidelines and procedures as written? If portions are not understood, do we ask for help and guidance? Issues such as <em>dress codes, smoking, breaks, phone use. resource use and abuse</em> and the like should be covered under this topic.</p>
<p><strong>4) Public Relations/Customer Service</strong><br />
IMPORTANT! How do we get a long with residents and their family? How well do we represent the facility on outings and trips? Do we smile or frown? Are we miserable most the time?</p>
<p><strong>5) Attendance, tardiness, leaving early</strong><br />
How often, exactly, do we call out? Or come in late? Leave early? AND, how much overtime do we work? If we work no overtime, is it held against us? If we work lots of overtime, is it mentioned and given some attention? Do we attend meetings as required?</p>
<p><strong>6) In services and continuing Ed</strong><br />
Are we up to date with our required  number of hours needed each year for in services? </p>
<p>THEN I think there should be a section for <strong>goals and objectives for the following year. </strong><br />
Specific to each employee and not cookie cutter, one size fits all stuff. </p>
<p>For instance, CNA Sarah has problems with her demeanor towards families. She has legit concerns. However her mannerisms toward the families cause problems for all. A goal for her might be to &#8220;Improve ability to show respect and concern for resident families&#8221;. </p>
<p>Then, actual objectives can be listed to HELP Sarah reach that goal. </p>
<li>Sarah will observe other co workers who deal well with families.<br />
Sarah will participate in role playing in services designed to show her how her actions hurt people.<br />
Sarah will develop skills that help her listen, comprehend and gain empathy for family members.</li>
<p>&#8230;and so on.</p>
<p>What do you think of this? What type of evaluation do you get: Generic form or one specific to your work? Who does your eval and who gives you the feedback? Do you think your evaluations are helpful or wasteful? </p>
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		<title>Question of The Week: Consistent Staffing vs. Flexible Scheduling</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 10:00:26 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Heather</dc:creator>
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One of the best things we&#8217;re seeing from the Culture Change movement involves how CNA&#8217;s are assigned to the residents they care for. The consistent staffing model has gained some popularity over the past few years. Research shows how this model benefits residents and aides.
Fast forward a couple years and some challenges are presenting themselves. [...]]]></description>
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<p>One of the best things we&#8217;re seeing from the Culture Change movement involves how CNA&#8217;s are assigned to the residents they care for. The consistent staffing model has gained some popularity over the past few years. Research shows how this model benefits residents and aides.</p>
<p><strong>Fast forward a couple years and some challenges are presenting themselves. </strong><br />
In my region, hospitals, nursing homes and other health care facilities have faced a shortage of nurses and aides. In order to attract these skilled professionals, most facilities up here are moving away from the standard nursing schedule model to a more flexible one. Gas prices and travel time play into this. </p>
<p>Instead of scheduling staff to work the typical 4 days on, one day off, every other weekend model, where I work we have staff working all sorts of different hours. Many are choosing to work two double shifts and one 8 hour shift per week. Others have opted to work three 12 hour shifts per week. Not all of these positions require weekend work either since we have a group of staff who work two 16 hour days each Saturday and Sunday. </p>
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This means different aides working every day. </strong><br />
So, consistent staffing is almost impossible to achieve. Rarely does an aide work two days in a row. Nurses are doing the same thing. </p>
<p>Many of my co workers travel from distant towns to my facility to work the weekend only; they stay at a small local hotel (paid for by my work). The benefit of this for my co workers is using far less gas which is expensive. My employer is happy knowing the units are staffed for the weekends. Other than the weekend staff, no one is expected to work two 16 hour days in a row. Nurses are offered the popular Baylor program: Work the 32 hours each weekend and get an 8 hour bonus which equates to 40 hours pay.</p>
<p>Facilities have to make tough choices. Either keep the strict medical schedule model and have a shortage of nursing staff, or, offer flex hours and have adequate staffing each shift. </p>
<p>How does this all effect residents in nursing homes and assisted living facilities? They don&#8217;t have a core staff. There is NO one CNA who is assigned to them on a daily basis. </p>
<p>My own schedule has changed at my request, due to the price of gas. I was spending a quarter on my earnings filling up the gas tank, just to get to work five days a week. Now I work two double shifts and one 8 hour shift, a week. Five shifts in 3 days. I have saved a respectable amount of my income by making this change. </p>
<p><strong>I like the schedule in many aspects:</strong><br />
-I have four days a week off to be with my family and tend to home and hobbies. I&#8217;m not nearly as stressed and tired as I was when working the 5 day schedule.<br />
-I&#8217;m saving gas, for sure- but also wear and tear on my vehicle.<br />
-When I am working, I keep the same assignment for the long (16 hour) day. Those residents I assist with getting am cares done, I also assist with doing the pm cares as well. If we don&#8217;t get the bath done in the morning, we know to fit it in at night. My assignment is consistent for the entire two shifts and my residents and their families really like that. We haven&#8217;t seen an increase in falls or skin issues.</p>
<p><strong>This week we ask the Questions:<br />
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What kinds of schedule options do others have? Is flex scheduling allowed? If so, what kinds of shifts and hours are typical? </p>
<p>What&#8217;s more important? Having enough staff who may be working flexible shifts, or not having enough staff who always work the typical nursing model schedule?</p>
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		<title>Question of the Week: Falls and Responsibility</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 04:30:59 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Kim</dc:creator>
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At work today I got into trouble because one of my residents&#8217; fell. This man is independent and never needs our help. He can do his own care- showers, dressing, walking, meals, toileting&#8230;the works. As far as I know he has never fallen before. I was busy with one of my other residents who requires [...]]]></description>
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<em>At work today I got into trouble because one of my residents&#8217; fell. This man is independent and never needs our help. He can do his own care- showers, dressing, walking, meals, toileting&#8230;the works. As far as I know he has never fallen before. I was busy with one of my other residents who requires total cares.   I was in the middle of bathing her when the nurse came in to tell me the man fell and why wasn&#8217;t I with him? After I finished up with my lady&#8217;s care, I was told to fill out a report which wanted to know what I COULD HAVE DONE to prevent the fall; THE LAST TIME RESIDENT WAS TOILETED; THE LAST MEAL consumed- all things that had nothing to do with this fall!!</p>
<p>Later, I was written up for the fall. I told the DON that everyone is responsible for ALL the residents on the hall I was working. Yes, he was assigned to me, but when I am busy with other residents, my co workers should step up and cover for me. What do you think of this?</em></p>
<p><strong>Answer:</strong><br />
You should not have been written up, in my opinion.</p>
<p>Every resident must be assigned to a CNA. It&#8217;s law. No way out of that. Every aide accepts their assignment and therefore responsibility for the residents on it. Each CNA is responsible for her assigned residents and the unit, as a whole, cannot do this. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s tough when bad things happen to good aides, though. </p>
<p>Did you read the man&#8217;s care plan? Are you absolutely sure he is independent in his cares? If so, did you check in with him to see if he needed any help, with anything? I think sometimes we assume these residents who are able to do their own care never need ANY help- and this isn&#8217;t always the case. When doing this check in, it&#8217;s always a good to ask when they&#8217;re planning to get up; what they&#8217;re bathing plans are and the like. This way, you can have some awareness that Mr. Smith is going to be up and about around 9am, and might need someone to just peek at him. </p>
<p>Of course this is where team work comes into the picture. Every time an aide is going to be tied up for awhile with residents, its always a GOOD thing to let as many peers know where you&#8217;re at. And include the nurse with this info as well. If you&#8217;re so inclined (and I would be) I would ask peers to keep an eye and ear out for your other residents&#8230;especially if I was going to be tied up for a longer period than usual with the other resident. A good charge nurse would make sure your other residents are covered as well. It&#8217;s a balancing act though: Asking every aide to cover the others&#8217; residents every time personal care is being performed is just not practical.</p>
<p>As for the report: It&#8217;s called an Incident Report. The questions asked do indeed have everything to do with the assessment of a fall. By asking you what you could have done to prevent this fall, the answers you provide are supposed to be helpful to prevent a repeat in the future. </p>
<p>Did you know most residents fall because they are trying to get to the bathroom? If they&#8217;re hungry they might be trying to rush out to a meal. Usually there are other questions too on these reports- about all sorts of things. Often we don&#8217;t know the prior condition of any resident when they have fallen without a witness. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s very important for CNA&#8217;s to answer these things honestly&#8230;<em>however</em>&#8230;.when we&#8217;re written up it takes away the desire for CNA&#8217;s to have any respect for these reports. These things should never be used as a means for punishment. When independent residents fall, it is NOT the direct fault of the aides. It was caused by something else. It IS up to management to figure out why the fall occurred- but by placing blame on the aides they are short changing this process. This is another example of autocratic management style- which isn&#8217;t helpful. And, I have to wonder if nursing homes with high fall rates have these kinds of managers.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sorry you got written up. Of all the things CNA&#8217;s don&#8217;t have control over, the FALL tops the list. The work loads alone should tell all that it&#8217;s impossible to be everywhere at the same time- or even once an hour. A good fall prevention program begins with a trusting environment where no one is disciplined for falls unseen. Once that is in place, true prevention strategies can be developed AND the CNA&#8217;s are the most valuable asset to this process. </p>
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		<title>Question Of the Week: They Won&#8217;t Let Us Call Out</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jun 2008 14:48:35 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Heather</dc:creator>
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At my facility we&#8217;re not allowed to call out! Lately there&#8217;s been a lot of call outs and even more aides quitting. So we work short all the time. A couple aides have hurt their backs too cause we&#8217;re short all the time. Anyway I got the &#8220;bug&#8221; last week and had a fever, vomiting, [...]]]></description>
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<em>At my facility we&#8217;re not allowed to call out! Lately there&#8217;s been a lot of call outs and even more aides quitting. So we work short all the time. A couple aides have hurt their backs too cause we&#8217;re short all the time. Anyway I got the &#8220;bug&#8221; last week and had a fever, vomiting, and diarrhea. I felt horrible. I couldn&#8217;t eat anything; I couldn&#8217;t keep anything down. I called work to let them know I would be out for my shift and they put me through to the DON. who told me to come in for work, to report to her prior to clocking in so she could assess whether I was too sick to work. If I didn&#8217;t follow this directive, I would be terminated. SO I went to work and the DON took my temp (101.2)- she gave me Tylenol and a couple spoonfuls of Pepto Bismol; she told me report for duty. If I didn&#8217;t feel any better in an hour to come back and see her.</p>
<p>Is this legal???</em></p>
<p><strong>Answer:</strong><br />
Your email tells me your employer is having a hard time with staffing. It appears that the place is going through a downward spiral of problems and management is part of that. When an aide shows up for work, sick with fever and infection, she exposes not only the residents, but her co workers as well.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s very likely more than a few will catch the illness. So, it spreads like a fire. As each aide comes down with the bug and misses work, management feels it has to do something to curb what it perceives to be an abuse of attendance policy. Management should be prepared for a staffing crunch knowing a virus is going around. But, this facility&#8217;s management is punishing the very people who are out in the battlefields where the germs are located. It&#8217;s old fashioned and autocratic. </p>
<p>Instead of being proactive, the DON is being REACTIVE and in a very negative manner. Her actions are telling her staff that she doesn&#8217;t <em>trust</em> their judgment on their own bodies health. She is also telling them she has <em>no respect</em> for them. A warm body on the schedule is all that matters, even if that body&#8217;s temp is 101.</p>
<p><strong>The Legality of this:</strong><br />
If this is a policy, it must be written as such.</p>
<p>I called a lawyer friend and relayed this scenario and she gave me the following advice: Is the DON a doctor or a Nurse Practitioner?? If not, she is straying from her nurse practice laws. Nurses cannot diagnose illnesses, diseases, disorders and the like.  Perhaps she is sending staff to a doctor who is legally licensed to perform a medical assessment. She would be smart to do this. She should NEVER give staff ANY medications without a doctors&#8217; order. She is putting her license on the line by doing so. She knows this. And is counting that you don&#8217;t know this.</p>
<p>Legally this practice is <em>not advised</em> for management. They are risking a discrimination lawsuit if this &#8220;policy&#8221; doesn&#8217;t cover ALL employees of this facility- so, when the dietary aide or the cook or the maintenance man calls out, the DON/Management <em>must apply</em> this same requirement towards them. They too must come in, be assessed, and determined if they&#8217;re &#8220;healthy&#8221; enough to work or not. And this would mean doing so 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. Even on holidays and weekends. </p>
<p><strong>What To Do?</strong><br />
If you find yourself too ill to perform the duties of your job, you can and should call out. However, you should also make every attempt to get better or try to reduce your symptoms so you can work. In other words, do take Tylenol/Advil to get the fever down. Immodium will end just about every episode of diarrhea. After this, if you still feel too sick, call out. Make sure you follow the policy- most facilities require 2 or 4 hours notice. </p>
<p>Have your spouse or a friend make the call for you if you&#8217;re concerned with being harassed by the DON. Instruct your spouse/friend to take a message but to be firm: You will not be showing up for work. Make sure your reasons are given: Details- fever, vomiting, ect. and the actions you have taken to try to make it better. Then <em>call your doctor</em> and make an appointment. You&#8217;ll need to be assessed and diagnosed properly; and the MD will need to write you a note excusing you from work. Often, this note will include actual dates you are not recommended to work. </p>
<p><strong>A doctors note will not protect your job.</strong><br />
We need to know this and not rely upon it. The note does give credibility to you though: You&#8217;re putting the effort into seeing the doctor to find out what is wrong and get better; you&#8217;re paying money to do in most cases; you want to show your employer you weren&#8217;t goofing off, ect. </p>
<p>You can still be terminated unless you&#8217;re a member of a union which has rules on this. </p>
<p>I would not wish to continue employment at a facility where this practice occurs. I would leave on my own free will and seek employment at another place with more enlightened management.</p>
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		<title>Why then, caregivers, do you continue to move from job to job</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jun 2007 12:36:28 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Patti</dc:creator>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matt, <a href="http://nursinghomeguy.blogspot.com/">The Nursing Home Administrator</a> has a question for us:</p>
<blockquote><div><a href="http://nursinghomeguy.blogspot.com/2007/06/protect-resident-dignity-by-staying-put.html">Why then, caregivers,</a> do you continue to move from job to job, facility to facility? If you truly believe in resident privacy, comfort, and dignity, why don’t you want that continuity for your residents? Are you a caregiver for yourself or for others? When faced with a difficult situation on the job, do you find yourself thinking about how it will affect you or your residents? How many issues that people quit over could be resolved if ours goals were better aligned?</div>
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<p>Go over and tell him why&#8230;or why not. Let&#8217;s start a conversation about this topic. There&#8217;s no need to be rude about this either; honesty and being forthright, yes&#8230;but rude and defensive- no&#8230;</p>
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		<title>Question of the week: What CNA&#8217;s want to learn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kim</dc:creator>
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Could you give me some suggestions on what CNAs really want for education in a long term care?

Briefly, I can say without a doubt, those who have intentions of being educated CNA&#8217;s want to know these things:
1) The Basics- nursing skills we currently learn- with more emphasis on [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In <a href="http://nursingassistants.net/2004/12/31/continuing-education-or-just-another-in-service/">the comments</a> a reader left this question:</p>
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<strong><a href="http://nursingassistants.net/wp-admin/post.php?action=editcomment&#038;comment=32146">Could you give</a> me some suggestions on what CNAs really want for education in a long term care?</strong></div>
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<p>Briefly, I can say without a doubt, those who have intentions of being educated CNA&#8217;s want to know these things:<br />
1) The Basics- nursing skills we currently learn- with more emphasis on the hows, whys, whens, what happens&#8230;details are always better than scratching the surface which is what is taught now.</p>
<p>2) Expanded information about the Nursing Process and the role of the CNA and other members of the health care team.</p>
<p>3) Employment skills: Work ethics, resume preparation, interview skills, mentoring; HOW not to destroy our young, being professional, dealing with co workers and management; dealing with families and others.</p>
<p>4) Career opportunities for CNA&#8217;s; other roles and resources besides nursing homes and long term care.</p>
<p>5) History of nursing and particularly of CNA&#8217;s.</p>
<p>6) Expanded information about abuse, neglect and other legal issues CNA&#8217;s face everyday on the job.</p>
<p>Other thoughts?? Ideas? </p>
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